Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> We could argue this interminably or you could simply grasp the nettle >> and align theory with reality. > > It was clear in Montreal that there is no community consensus to spend > effort on doing this, so we have closed down this avenue for now. I'm sorry, Brian, but this answer is truly unacceptable. Reality is that our 3 step process is not functioning as documented. We thought we were fixing it in NEWTRK, but you shut down that group. Please tell me and the rest of the community what path you expect to correct the error. If you don't have a proposal I will have one of my own. Eliot _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf