Re: Fw: Why cant the IETF embrace an open Election Process rather than some

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Isn't he barred from posting here?

On Wed, Sep 13, 2006 at 07:51:27PM -0700, todd glassey wrote:
> I am forwarding this on behalf of Dean Anderson.
> 
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > --Dean
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> >
> > >     > From: "todd glassey" <tglassey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >
> > >     > Why cant the IETF and IESG Embrace open elections
> > >
> > > Because the members are generally happy with the system we have now.
> It's
> > > called democracy - and you're outvoted.
> >
> > I think that in fact, members aren't very happy with the system that we
> > have now. If they were happy, they wouldn't be changing it.
> >
> > I think that the system has created a very closed, and very unfair
> > management selection process that is not benefiting the members are
> > large, but benefiting a few private interests.
> >
> > > Remember, we had this system for quite a while before the last major
> rework
> > > of the process (i.e. we'd all seen it in action for some years, and were
> able
> > > to judge how well was working), and the outcome of that rework was a
> > > standards document - i.e. something suject to community approval, i.e.
> > > democracy - which made adjustments, but retained the basic framework. If
> > > people weren't generally happy with that basic framework, it would have
> been
> > > obvious at the Last Call of the document.
> > >
> > > IMO, the IETF has some significant problems, but the process for
> selecting
> > > people for leadership positions isn't one of them.
> >
> > I think the IETF and ISOC do have some very significant problems, and
> > that those problems are primarilly mismanagement, disloyalty, and
> > improper use of the ISOC/IETF/IESG/IAB to benefit the personal and
> > adverse interests of the management. The ISOC/IETF employees have
> > accrued some torts against the organization for defamation and
> > defamatory false reports of member misconduct.
> >
> > There is plenty of documentation now of disloyalty, fraudulent
> > misrepresentation, collusion, and bad faith.  To see a little bit, look
> > at the Appeal submitted recently to the IAB:
> >
> >
> http://www.av8.net/IETF-watch/Appeal_of_IESG_decision_of_July_10_2006-v4.pdf
> > or
> >
> http://www.av8.net/IETF-watch/Appeal_of_IESG_decision_of_July_10_2006-v4.html
> >
> >
> >
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