Jorge - Let me ask, who eats a copyright violation claim against the IETF??? Is it the IETF?, the IESG? or is it the Document Publisher - who for a while longer is ISI? - my bet is that in this case that's ISI because the publisher has a fiduciary responsibility to address the DMCA Take Down provisions as an Internet Publisher, or face the music for screwing up when it happens. Since I am betting there was nothing about the "assumption of liability for violations of Copyright Act incidents" in the RFP is the intent to make the Editor/Publisher of the IETF's Document's the fall-guy for operating the ISP resource for the IETF without a Take Down Process or methodology for the IP Published. My reasons for asking are simple, because if not it seems to me that the ethical thing to do is that EVERY candidate needs to be notified "that the IETF takes no responsibility for any laws they break in publishing the IETF's documents". I propose the following addition as a disclaimer to the Publisher RFP responders: --------------------------------------- WARNING - The IETF is an ISOC sponsored on-line consortia, an international organization who's publishing policies are determined by consensus. The IETF carries no internal or executive bonding as a result.The IETF informs you of this so there is no possible claim of breach or fraud in the inducement by the IETF's willful hiding of this key fact. Be advised that neither ISOC nor the IETF have any official policy on DMCA, the global WIPO treaties or any other IP legislation and you are responsible for any and all acts which violate those laws. o- As the IETF's Publisher, you act as an Internet Service based Electronic Publisher and as such you bear total responsibility for the wrongful release of controlled or trade-secret protected IP, and also for the Copyright or Patent Disclosure Violations that may occur from time to time while you edit and publish documents under contract to the IETF. o- IETF's mail gateway is a 'repeater' and no local copies of submissions are kept - You acknowledge and agree that the IETF's Email Gateway automatically is configured to forward submissions (documents for publishing) to you as a front-end, and that as such the IETF's Email Clearing Feature is essentially just another Mail Exchanger Node in the path to get a document to you for review and cleanup prior to your publishing it. As a clearing house you agree that the IETF does not actually take possession of the document until you publish it and return the final copy to the IETF; meaning any and all liabilities are your Company's alone. o- "This isn't Kansas anymore Toto" - This notice is based in that the IETF cannot absolve you or your Company of legal responsibility for breaking the US Copyright Act or any of the WIPO Treaty Terms in place globally that the US and other Nation's have signed to stop the unauthorized publishing of controlled Intellectual Property"; likewise nor can it protect you from litigation based in any violations therein. o- "Your left holding the bag" - As such, since the IETF bears no responsibility for any acts where IP is published through you please consult your own Counsel to properly understand and determine if these risks eliminate your participation in the program. Thanks for your interest in the IETF's Publishing Operations RFP ---------------------------------------- By the way - IMH "lay" O the only ones that could possibly survive screwing up are ISI because of their University Sponsorship. Todd Glassey _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf