Right Dean - I guess you don't know much about Perjury Constrained Declarations - there is a State and Federal Jurisdiction here at place... which are you folks choosing? Here is the problem - the contract may not be binding without some statement specific to the selection of law since many of the IETF's participants exist and work under different laws or jurisdictions than that of the US alone. I think that makes it critical for the Beast's Comedic Practices (BCP) documents to disclose jurisdiction, and possibly some Dispute/ADR language too.+ My concern is that if the contract between the parties is one specific to any particular states laws then the contract would have to disclose that. Since many states have differing laws without fully defining the scope and jurisdiction behind the contract the contract becomes in some instances unenforceable... Its also arguable that without proper declaration of the basic law constraining the contract that there is no contract whether the pieces of what contracts are made up are created or not. Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Anderson" <dean@xxxxxxx> To: "todd glassey" <tglassey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: <> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 7:39 PM Subject: Re: Response to the Appeal by [...] > On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, todd glassey wrote: > > > Dean - > > So then its the ISOC's formal process to officially refuse to comply with > > Safe Harbor, the US DMCA and the EU's Security Requirements for electronic > > processes? Cool - I am betting that means the US Government cannot > > participate with them too, right? > > I must have missed missed something. What does the DMCA have to do with > this discussion? I am also mystified as to why the DMCA would prevent > the US Government from participating in any case. > > > By the way - what State's or Country's laws are the IETF's documents > > governed under and why is this not in any of the IETF's documents including > > the Solicitation RFP itself??? > > This is found on the ISOC web site, under its incorporation documents. > http://www.isoc.org/isoc/general/trustees/incorp.shtml > > The ISOC is a District of Columbia corporation, in the United States. > > > My favorite is the Affidavit which comes with a perjury clause in it > > with no statement of who's perjury laws were being used? US? Virginia? > > California? who's ??? > > I'm not sure what particular affidavit you mean. An Affidavit is a > statement made under oath, usually to a court. I think the "perjury > clause" you referred to is your oath that the statements are true. > > --Dean > > -- > Av8 Internet Prepared to pay a premium for better service? > www.av8.net faster, more reliable, better service > 617 344 9000 > > _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf