Re: RFC Editor RFP Review Request

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Nice Andy... bravo!

T

-----Original Message-----
>From: Andy Bierman <ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Jul 26, 2006 8:23 PM
>To: todd glassey <tglassey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Cc: John C Klensin <john-ietf@xxxxxxx>, Ted Hardie <hardie@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, Jeffrey Hutzelman <jhutz@xxxxxxx>, Allison Mankin <mankin@xxxxxxx>, IETF Administrative Director <iad@xxxxxxxx>, iaoc@xxxxxxxx, ietf@xxxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: RFC Editor RFP Review Request
>
>todd glassey wrote:
>> So let me ask the obvious thing... why is the RFP content being voted on?
>> This is a business decision in regard to services and process. Why is any of
>> it open to review inside the IETF?
>
>
>Because the lunatics want to run the asylum?  ;-)
>
>Seriously though, it seems to me that most people agree
>with us, and want to let the IAD and IESG do their jobs,
>and stop all this obsessing over every detail of our "Process".
>
>How about if we get that "quality" and "timeliness" thing
>under control before spending a lot of time agreeing on
>the 427 most important factors in selecting IETF meeting locations?
>
>(Just my $0.02.  OK, maybe it's the whole dollar :-)
>
>
>> 
>> Todd
>
>Andy
>
>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "John C Klensin" <john-ietf@xxxxxxx>
>> To: "Ted Hardie" <hardie@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Jeffrey Hutzelman" <jhutz@xxxxxxx>;
>> "Allison Mankin" <mankin@xxxxxxx>; "IETF Administrative Director"
>> <iad@xxxxxxxx>
>> Cc: <iaoc@xxxxxxxx>; <ietf@xxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 2:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: RFC Editor RFP Review Request
>> 
>> 
>>>
>>> --On Wednesday, 26 July, 2006 13:58 -0700 Ted Hardie
>>> <hardie@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> At 3:28 PM -0400 7/26/06, John C Klensin wrote:
>>>>> The other is that, to some readers, it appears to impose
>>>>> binding requirements on how the RFC Editor deals with input
>>>>> from the IESG, either directly (as in "if we recommend that
>>>>> this text be inserted, you must insert it or not publish") or
>>>>> indirectly (as in "if you don't follow our recommendations,
>>>>> we will see to it that your funding is cut off").  For those
>>>>> of us who believe that it is important to the Internet that
>>>>> the RFC Editor function as an independent, cooperating,
>>>>> entity rather than as a subsidiary of the IETF, that level of
>>>>> requirement is not acceptable (that consideration is the
>>>>> source of this discussion about aspects of the RFP and what
>>>>> should, or should not, be in it).  While the IETF can attempt
>>>>> to establish links to particular funding sources and apply
>>>>> leverage that way (which some of us are trying to
>>>>> discourage), it is also beyond the ability of the IETF to
>>>>> give itself the authority to impose such requirements
>>>>> directly, any more than approval of a document as an IETF
>>>>> Standard can force someone to conform to it.
>>>> I don't agree with this understanding, but I appreciate your
>>>> taking the time to clarify it.  The "imposition of binding
>>>> requirements" you cite above is, from my way of looking at it,
>>>> instead a description of how the two cooperating entities
>>>> cooperate.  Putting descriptions of that kind into the RFP
>>>> (or, rather, references to them) is useful for a potential
>>>> respondent so that know what timelines and level of external,
>>>> unpaid effort to expect from the IETF.  Other ways around this
>>>> seem to have their own headaches. For example, requiring  the
>>>> publisher of the independent stream to establish that a
>>>> document  does not inappropriately usurp an unregistered
>>>> standards-dependent  IANA  namespace or  reserved protocol
>>>> bits would otherwise take the time and talents of the
>>>> publisher's review teams.  That slows the stream or increases
>>>> costs in a different way.
>>> Then I think we are more or less on the same page.  The
>>> challenge now is to get the RFP to appropriately reflect that
>>> shared understanding.
>>>
>>>     john
>>>
>>>
>>>
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