Re: RFC Editor RFP Review Request

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So let me ask the obvious thing... why is the RFP content being voted on?
This is a business decision in regard to services and process. Why is any of
it open to review inside the IETF?

Todd
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John C Klensin" <john-ietf@xxxxxxx>
To: "Ted Hardie" <hardie@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Jeffrey Hutzelman" <jhutz@xxxxxxx>;
"Allison Mankin" <mankin@xxxxxxx>; "IETF Administrative Director"
<iad@xxxxxxxx>
Cc: <iaoc@xxxxxxxx>; <ietf@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: RFC Editor RFP Review Request


>
>
> --On Wednesday, 26 July, 2006 13:58 -0700 Ted Hardie
> <hardie@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > At 3:28 PM -0400 7/26/06, John C Klensin wrote:
> >> The other is that, to some readers, it appears to impose
> >> binding requirements on how the RFC Editor deals with input
> >> from the IESG, either directly (as in "if we recommend that
> >> this text be inserted, you must insert it or not publish") or
> >> indirectly (as in "if you don't follow our recommendations,
> >> we will see to it that your funding is cut off").  For those
> >> of us who believe that it is important to the Internet that
> >> the RFC Editor function as an independent, cooperating,
> >> entity rather than as a subsidiary of the IETF, that level of
> >> requirement is not acceptable (that consideration is the
> >> source of this discussion about aspects of the RFP and what
> >> should, or should not, be in it).  While the IETF can attempt
> >> to establish links to particular funding sources and apply
> >> leverage that way (which some of us are trying to
> >> discourage), it is also beyond the ability of the IETF to
> >> give itself the authority to impose such requirements
> >> directly, any more than approval of a document as an IETF
> >> Standard can force someone to conform to it.
> >
> > I don't agree with this understanding, but I appreciate your
> > taking the time to clarify it.  The "imposition of binding
> > requirements" you cite above is, from my way of looking at it,
> > instead a description of how the two cooperating entities
> > cooperate.  Putting descriptions of that kind into the RFP
> > (or, rather, references to them) is useful for a potential
> > respondent so that know what timelines and level of external,
> > unpaid effort to expect from the IETF.  Other ways around this
> > seem to have their own headaches. For example, requiring  the
> > publisher of the independent stream to establish that a
> > document  does not inappropriately usurp an unregistered
> > standards-dependent  IANA  namespace or  reserved protocol
> > bits would otherwise take the time and talents of the
> > publisher's review teams.  That slows the stream or increases
> > costs in a different way.
>
> Then I think we are more or less on the same page.  The
> challenge now is to get the RFP to appropriately reflect that
> shared understanding.
>
>     john
>
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