Re: Meetings in other regions

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That said, and given the difficulties of balancing competing
priorities in site location, it seems reasonable to me to make
a decent, good-faith effort without getting overly bogged down
in "where should we meet?" discussions, and really try to get
the remote participation thing nailed down a little better.  The
ratio of good to bad remote meeting input has improved a lot
over the past year or so but there are still too many working
groups without a Jabber scribe in the room (which prevents remote
listeners from providing inputs), etc.

OK, this is only a thought, and I'm out of the process improvement business anyway, but I've been seeing a consistent improvement in the quality of jabber logs for at least two years, and I'm wondering if there are working groups who would be willing to try "minutes = chair summary plus jabber logs" for a few IETFs (without what we usually think of as "detailed minutes"), and see if this is actually workable.

I'm a many-time repeat offender as WG note-taker, and am watching my notes look more and more like a jabber log with only one jabberer; the advantages of jabber (in my experience) are

- it's nice for the note-taker to be able to participate in the meeting - as an extreme case, in the SIPPING Ad Hoc on Friday, Gonzalo and Mary handed me the mike about twenty times, but very litte of what I said appeared in the notes, and it's worse when someone is already talking when I stop talking. That's typical in my experience. With Jabber, people can type until I get back to my seat.

- It's really nice when I misquote, or mis-attribute, something that was said and another jabberer corrects it right away. This is SO much better than the WG chair having to listen to the audio stream to check my notes after some number of days has elapsed (and sometimes all the chair can tell from the audio is that I got it wrong, without knowing what "right" would have been).

- and, obviously, this works better for remote participants (what's the alternative - send e-mail to the list?)

Now that all this stuff is on the IETF website, it should be more enduring than if the jabber rooms and logs were hosted somewhere else.

Of course, Jabber has to work; our wireless network has been pretty solid the last couple of meetings, but even so, if you offer a Jabber scribe an Ethernet connection and guaranteed power at the front of the room, that would be pretty compelling for me, most IETFs.

Thanks,

Spencer


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