Re: Meetings in other regions

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If you want a really inexpensive hotel, food that is very good, and an environment in which you are perfectly safe because everyone around you has guns and none of them are pointed at you, I have a suggestion for a meeting spot. Take a look at

	ftp://ftpeng.cisco.com/fred/march-ietf-meeting/proposal.html

This details a trip I took to visit a university and several smaller schools last September, with a view to supporting the deployment of an NRN in the country and laying a fiber plant throughout the university. It details the city I traversed entering the region (coming from Europe, where I had other business), and then left through on my return home.

There were a few problems with the location. Electric power, for example, is unpredictable, and large hotels non-existent. Meat is readily available, but refrigeration isn't, so meat makes its way to market under its own power and must be purchased daily. Communication from the university was via a NATO communications network called the Silk Road. Now, the Silk Road network works, but on the Internet connection from the hotel I at one point experienced a two minute period in which ping RTTs ramped up from their normal 630 ms to 24-25 seconds (yes, you read that right), held at that for two minutes, and then returned to normal. In three years there will be a fiber plant around the country, so says the Ministry of Communications, but the laying that fiber is hampered by the fact that they have to clear land mines before they can trench.

I intended this note as a reductio ad absurdum. But on second thought, it might actually be good for us to visit the location. Take a gander at

	http://www.skyimagelab.com/earatnitlar.html

My observation is that the places on earth that are not well lit with city lights - many of which I have been to, as have others among us - are not generally well "lit" with fiber either. I wonder whether having a meeting in a place that is not connected by a red carpet throughout the Western Europe/North America/AsiaPac/Australia fiber corridor would change our perspective on the requirement for routing to not simply develop A route but to develop a GOOD route, for the development of services where bandwidth comes at a premium, and for consideration of the number of RTTs it takes to accomplish something in an application.

I spoke a week ago with Franck Martin, from Fiji. If you're looking for "places", Fiji would be a wonderful. He complained that while many GBPS of fiber traveled within a few miles of his home, but due to the cost of the landing site he was limited to tens of kilobits. If you're looking for OC-3 to the hotel...

My point is that it is not about the price of the hotel, nor is it about taking the Internet gospel to those who haven't been able to participate in its development, as if they would as a result have the capability to meaningfully participate in our efforts. It's not about interesting places in which to have many fine lunches and dinners. It's about having productive meetings in an atmosphere conducive to them that is reasonably convenient for 1200-or-so people to travel to for a week while maintain daily connectivity with home, family, and their daily workplace.

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