Ever since PANA was first proposed, I did not understand why the IETF accepted it as a work item, because it seemed to me that it was duplicating existing capabilities (e.g., RADIUS, Diameter, etc.) and thereby needlessly increasing complexity system-wide. By this discussion, I surmise that you have greater insights than I. Hence this question to you: "What 'bad thing' would happen should PANA not go forward?" I suspect that this question has been answered many times. But could you please answer it using simple concepts for the benefit of those of us who aren't thinking deeply on a sleepy Friday evening? I am particularly interested in whether you believe end users require PANA and, if so, why? Thanks! _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf