Sam Hartman <hartmans-ietf@xxxxxxx> wrote: > To: John Leslie <john@xxxxxxx> > > John, does the text I proposed to address Margaret's concern (making > it clear that this will not become a permanent BCP), plus the review > requirements proposed by Harald, plus the work started by Brian to > build community consensus on a new set of mailing list procedures help > address your concerns? Making it clear that this will be a short-term experiment helps a lot. To _very_ briefly recap my comments at: http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg41057.html I worry about the political pressures to "try" something even more extreme than BCP83. Though I am willing to trust current IESG members to instead find something less extreme (but greater than a 30-day suspension), I fear that some rather strong voices will be raised in support of "suspensions" which are _more_ permanent than BCP83 and require less process. I trust current IESG members to "just say No" right now; but these pressures _will_ continue. Thus, I want to minimize the period during which IESG members will be subjected to them. Ideally, the experiment would be written to only authorize trials of procedures _less_ extreme than BCP83. We're close to that: ] ] The result of these guidelines is that there is a large gap between ] the levels of sanction that can be applied. An individual can be ] suspended from a working group list easily for 30 days. However the ] only option available to the IESG that permits a longer suspension ] for any list besides ietf@xxxxxxxx is the ability to suspend an ] individual for an indefinite time period from one list. This ] suspension can expand to any IETF list without community or IESG ] involvement. This memo is an RFC 3933[RFC3933] experiment to provide ] the IESG with the ability to create additional mechanisms to manage ] IETF mailing lists while the community decides what mailing list ] guidelines are appropriate. IN particular this experiment allows the ] IESG to create a level of sanction between RFC 3934 and RFC 3683 for ] working group lists and create sanctions other than RFC 3683 for ] non-working-group lists. The goal of this experiment is to improve ] the functioning of IETF mailing lists while keeping the process open ] and fair. ... which states "in particular this experiment allows" something in between; but it doesn't in any way limit it to that. IMHO, the IESG would face an easier task if this proposal _did_ limit it to that. Please note, however, that this is merely my opinion; and I'm not the one that will have to face the political pressure for procedures _more_ extreme than BCP83. Thus, I in no sense wish to stand in the way of adopting it as currently drafted. -- John Leslie <john@xxxxxxx> _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf