Re: 128 bits should be enough for everyone, was:

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> Immediately blowing 2^125 addresses is absurd.

We want to network the world inside and around us
and then automate it. IPv6 is timely and suits well
both purposes.

peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

--- "Anthony G. Atkielski" <anthony@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> Dave Cridland writes:
> 
> > I do understand your argument, and you're correct
> in all its
> > assertions, but not the conclusion. I suspect
> that's the case for 
> > everyone at this point.
> 
> Not as long as I still see people claiming that 128
> bits will provided
> 2^128 addresses _and_ that it can still be divided
> into multiple bit
> fields.
> 
> > You state, loosely, that 128 bits will not
> realistically yield
> > 2**128 addresses, which is entirely true.
> 
> Yes.
> 
> > It's been pointed out that IPv6 wasn't designed
> for that, instead,
> > it was designed to yield 2**64 subnets, and even
> so, it's
> > acknowledged that a considerable amount of that
> space will be
> > wasted. People have agreed with this, but pointed
> out that the
> > "subnet" level can be moved down, since we're only
> using an eighth
> > of the available address space.
> 
> I don't think many people appreciate just how
> quickly such policies
> can exhaust an address space--mainly because they
> keep emphasizing
> that 2^n addresses are available in n bits,
> apparently oblivious to
> the multiple factors that will waste most of the
> addresses.
> 
> > Your conclusion, however, is that we should be
> switching to a
> > zero-wastage allocation mechanism preferably based
> on variable 
> > bitlength addresses.
> 
> That is one option.  Another is to stop trying to
> plan the entire
> future of IP addressing today.  As I've said, just
> adding one more bit
> to 32-bit addresses would hold the Internet together
> for years to
> come.  Immediately blowing 2^125 addresses is
> absurd.
> 
> > In response to this, several people have commented
> that this
> > is unworkable using both current hardware and any
> hardware
> > predicted to be available within the next few
> years. I don't
> > know about that, but I'm prepared to accept that
> opinion.
> 
> I'll accept the opinion, but as long as it remains
> opinion, I can
> continue to assert the contrary.  I don't see any
> insurmountable
> obstacle that would prevent this type of
> implementation.  Indeed, I
> should think it would greatly simplify routing.
> 
> > There's an additional unanswered question your
> argument has, which is
> > whether the - very real - issues you're pointing
> out with prefix 
> > based allocations will cause actual operational
> problems within a 
> > timeframe short enough for anyone to worry over
> for a few decades, 
> > and - a related issue - would these problems hit
> sufficiently quickly
> > that a replacement for IPv6 couldn't be developed
> in time?
> 
> In this respect I'm going by past history.  As I've
> said, engineers
> routinely underestimate capacity and overestimate
> their own ability to
> foresee the future, often with expensive and
> defect-ridden results.
> The Internet gets bigger all the time, and the cost
> of these mistakes
> will be astronomically high in the future--more than
> high enough to
> justify changing this mindset.  I'm just trying to
> limit the damage by
> suggesting changes as early as possible.
> 
> Has anyone else noticed that the simplest standards
> tend to last the
> longest, and that complex, committee-designed
> standards are often
> obsolete even before the 6000-page specifications
> are printed and
> bound?  I see that SMTP is still around, but I don't
> see too many
> people using X.400.  I see people writing code in C,
> but not in Ada.
> 
> 
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