> From: Keith Moore <moore@xxxxxxxxxx> > NATs do harm in several different ways It's not just NAT's that are a problem on the fronts you mention, though: > they block traffic in arbitrary directions My ISP blocks incoming SMTP and HTTP connections. Has nothing to do with NAT. > these days they often destroy transparency. Some ISP's trap outgoing HTTP requests and silently divert them to caches. Again, it's not just NAT that's doing this. > NATs started with a simple design, pretended it would work well > without doing the analysis, Actually, I think the people who started NAT's (mostly Paul T) understood quite well what the problem were going to be. It's just that NAT was such a simpler/cheaper solution in the short term that it was too attractive. Realistically, the last chance to avoid NAT was when variable-length addresses were removed from IP somewhere in the TCP 2.5 -> TCP 3.0 -> TCP 3.1 transition (I don't know exactly which stage it was). In other words, a *loooonnnnggg* time ago. We've just been along for the ride ever since. Noel _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf