Hi Brian - I understand the difficulty of adding too many constraints to the scheduling process, but I'd like to point out that particpants in events such as AFNOG and AfriNIC meetings don't necessarily all come from Africa. In fact, strong participation from other regions is one of the most important mechanisms for building the institutions involved. Again, I understand the constraints you face, but it is certainly worth paying attention to the fact that many of the IETF's key participants also take very seriously their responsibility to help other organizations gain critical mass. Regards, Carl > Ray, > > I think our goal is to not lose essential participants from the IETF due > to clashes. In fact that's why we want to schedule several years out, so > as to make it easier for many other organizations to do their scheduling. > If we do that, it's each organization's choice whether or not they avoid IETF > weeks. (This week, for example, ITU-T NGN chose to schedule two major meetings > in other cities.) > > I don't think it's discriminatory to put the NICs and NOGs that don't seem > to have a large overlap with IETF participants in the second category. It's > just a matter of practicality, given that optimal scheduling is a > fundamentally imsoluble problem anyway. I'd be delighted to see growth in > African participation in the IETF (the spreadsheet shows two people from > Africa pre-registered this week). > > Brian > > Ray Plzak wrote: > > Why should AfriNIC be considered any less of an RIR than the other APNIC, > > ARIN, LACNIC, or RIPE NCC(meeting is at RIPE meeting)? Why should AFNOG be > > considered any less of an operator's forum than NANOG or EOF(meeting is at > > RIPE meeting)? We are talking about an entire continent. It seems to me in > > this case that the priority should be equality of treatment based on the > > function being performed for a region and not any other perceived reason for > > inequity. Or doesn't the IETF care about the Internet in the developing > > regions of the world? > > > > Ray > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Joel Jaeggli [mailto:joelja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > >>Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 1:53 AM > >>To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ > >>Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx > >>Subject: Re: Proposed 2008 - 2010 IETF Meeting dates > >> > >>yOn Fri, 24 Mar 2006, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Hi Ray, > >>> > >>>I know is difficult already to manage to avoid clashes, but I think is > >>>unfair and discriminatory to have all the RIRs and *NOGs in the MUST NOT > >>>list, but AfriNIC, AfNOG and SANOG in the other list. > >> > >>having attended two of three I would simply observe that the overlap > >>between the two communites is a little lower. also. having attended every > >>afnog meeting, it hasn't yet clashed with the ietf. You have to have some > >>priorities. > >> > >> > >>>Anticipating for so many years is good enough to allow all those > >>>organizations to chat together and make sure the there is not a clash, > >> > >>not > >> > >>>just in the exact dates, but allowing a few days in between (if they are > >>>hosted in different places of the world) to allow traveling among them, > >>>which has not been the case up to now all the time. > >>> > >>>Regards, > >>>Jordi > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>De: Ray Pelletier <rpelletier@xxxxxxxx> > >>>>Responder a: <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> > >>>>Fecha: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:41:48 -0500 > >>>>Para: "ietf@xxxxxxxx" <ietf@xxxxxxxx> > >>>>Asunto: Proposed 2008 - 2010 IETF Meeting dates > >>>> > >>>>The IETF is proposing dates for its meetings being held 2008 through > >>>>2010. 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