Re: Jabber chats (was: 2 hour meetings)

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Dear Stig;

On Mar 25, 2006, at 11:27 AM, Stig Venaas wrote:

Marshall Eubanks wrote:
Hello;

On Mar 25, 2006, at 1:28 AM, john.loughney@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

Maybe we should leave the Jabber meeting rooms up all the time, and
use them for more dynamic discussions.
John


Do you mean during the meetings (which  I think was done this time,
Monday - Friday) or
permanently ?

My thinking was permanently. A wg can then at any time decide to take
some specific issue to jabber.


That's cool, as long as some way is developed to cross reference email and
jabber discussions.

I am sure that many of you have had the experience of having one topic posted to multiple lists, with divergent conversations developing, with some, but not all, cross posts, and some, but not total, overlap of participants. Now imagine that being done with two (or more) mail lists and two (or more) jabber chats, all going at the same time. While it might be possible to follow this in real time (at least, if you have nothing else to do), it would be a lot of work to reconstruct such a conversation after the fact presently. This would put a severe disadvantage to those in different time zones and anyone else who could not follow things in real time.

I know that commercial software exists to do all of this (I have found Elluminate impressive in this regard, and it's very cross platform, being written in Java), but whether it's done commercially or in open source,
I think that it's something that we need to think about.

Regards
Marshall


AFAIK the previous jabber rooms were available permanently, and I
wouldn't be surprised if the new ones (rooms.jabber.ietf.org) are
either. So all I would like to ask, is that this is done. It would then
be up to the individual wg whether they want to make use of them.

Apart from using the jabber rooms for ad-hoc discussions, they should
also be used for interim wg meetings of course.

Stig

Regards
Marshall



- original message -
Subject:    Re: Jabber chats (was: 2 hour meetings)
From:    Stig Venaas <stig.venaas@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date:        03/24/2006 5:01 pm

Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote:
From: Tim Chown [mailto:tjc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]

Well, if we make remote participation too good, we may end up
with rather empty meeting rooms and a bankrupt IETF ;)

What we should do, given the rush of work that happens pre-ID
cutoff, is maybe look at such technology for interim
meetings, and have the IETF support some infrastructure to
help interim meetings run more
effectively, maybe even without a physical meeting venue. Some WGs
might then run more interim virtual meetings and help
distribute the workload over the year more smoothly.

You mean like holding a bi-weekly teleconference?

VOIP is getting to the point where this is practical.

Personally I find jabber (and similar technologies) much more convenient than voice. I've used that a few times with a small group of people to discuss and solve technical problems. I feel it allows more interactive
discussions and is also easier non-native English speakers,

I think using the wg jabber rooms we got for regular discussions of
specific issues is a great idea.

Stig



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