> > > > I think that Dave's message reflects a common frustration in IETF > > > > that we talk a lot about particular problems and never seem to do > > > > anything about them. > > > > > > Quite so, which is why most of us feel that there should be > > > a strong bias in favor of action and experimentation rather than > > > inertia and analysis. > > > > I hope you're wrong about that, because this is supposed to > > be an engineering organization. It is infeasible to determine by > > experimentation how well a protocol will work at Internet scale. > > We are talking about experimentation in ways of doing business at the scale > of an organization with approximately 2,500 or so active members. The > individual working groups have at most 100 active members. That is four > orders of magnitude less than Internet scale. Ah, the message you replied to was talking about both. But as I said in that message: > I'm all for experimentation about how we run meetings as long as we > take reasonable care in designing the experiments, identify effective > ways to evaluate the results of the experiments, and leave ourselves > room to adopt a different course if we don't like the results. and you could generalize this a bit from "how we run meetings" to "how we conduct business". Keith _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf