Let me rephrase it for a better understanding: I agree that some kind of confidentiality in the negotiation is required, but the common starting point for the overall sponsorship cost should be openly well-known. I think this thread has demonstrated the general ignorance about the real costs, which in turn, doesn't help to take a good decision about the right model to follow. The confidentiality is needed mainly because small sponsorship variations due to local specifics. Moreover, is ridiculous to keep the process secret when people who may be involved or informed about the negotiation being part of IETF bodies, and should keep the confidentiality about that, may be spreading rumors before they are facts. I also agree with you, I'm very concerned and noticed this very recently, about the lack of openness in IETF protocol development, which seem to turn into secret negotiations and long-time planned WG guidance. Regards, Jordi PS: I may be wrong, but I think that I know slightly more about meeting logistics and negotiation than probably the average protocol engineer, having organized entirely myself 3 events for up to 800 people, some others for about half that people, and participated in all the details for a 3500+ event, in addition to several international exhibitions. I'm missing an IETF itself though :-(. > De: Keith Moore <moore@xxxxxxxxxx> > Responder a: <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> > Fecha: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 00:48:11 -0500 > Para: <jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > CC: "ietf@xxxxxxxx" <ietf@xxxxxxxx> > Asunto: Re: Making IETF happening in different regions > >> It will also be a more open process. Today, in my opinion, having to >> negotiate with each possible sponsor in secret, is a broken concept, and >> against our openness. > > I'm a lot more concerned about openness in IETF protocol development. > some kinds of negotiations really do need to be done in secret. > > IMHO, having protocol engineers who know next to nothing about meeting > logistics try to dictate such terms is a broken concept. > > Keith > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ********************************************** The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org Barcelona 2005 Global IPv6 Summit Slides available at: http://www.ipv6-es.com This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf