Below, in-line. Regards, Jordi > De: Ned Freed <ned.freed@xxxxxxxxxxx> > Responder a: "ned.freed@xxxxxxxxxxx" <ned.freed@xxxxxxxxxxx> > Fecha: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:38:42 -0800 (PST) > Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > CC: ietfietforg <ietf@xxxxxxxx> > Asunto: Re: About cookies and refreshments cost and abuse > >> Hi, > >> I will like to make an observation about something that captured my >> attention the last few meetings. > >> I frequently see in meetings people filling up their back-packs with drinks, >> fruits and cookies. I'm not talking just about one extra drink. I'm talking >> some times even about people leaving the meeting area after getting the >> back-pack full in the afternoon break. > > Um, how do you know this isn't a "designated fetcher" carrying stuff back to > some design team huddled over a table off in some corner somewhere? I really doubt it. I think I can differentiate that at least in a majority of the situations, for several reasons difficult to explain. > > This is not at all unreasonable - I've done it myself numerous times for > groups > in the past and I've had it done for me several times. In fact earlier today > someone was kind enough to grab an extra drink for me, which I then > consumed on the spot. Agreed, but he/she could get your ticket for doing it. > >> I will call this abuse towards the rest of us. > >> I don't think suggesting that we don't get the cookies and drinks or that >> they should be paid as an extra, if you want them, is reasonable. > > Agreed. I used to be less sensitive to needs in this area, but these days I > have to have a little snack to get me through or I start to feel sick. Having > everyone run off to fetch such things does not scale very well. > >> However, is clear that is a *VERY* important cost of EACH meeting, and seems >> unreasonable to don't pay attention to this and to try to serve our real >> needs, instead of being in the situation of over/underestimating that, which >> brings to the situation of not having cookies for all of us. > >> So my suggestion to be reasonable and fair to all, will be to provide >> together with our registration pack, a given number of refreshment tickets, >> enough to cover the average needs. > > I suspect the handling of such tickers would cost quite a bit more than the > food it would save. But by all means price it out and see. Agreed, in may happen, but I think that can be negotiated with the hotel, so doesn't mean an extra cost. I also have seen alternative models, such as recently in APRICOT/APNIC, where you got the tickets and you drop them in a box when you queue to get your food/drink. A waiter taking control of the food logistics and at the same time about the "possible abusers" at every food spot can quickly distinguish if something seems to be abnormal. > > Ned ********************************************** The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org Barcelona 2005 Global IPv6 Summit Slides available at: http://www.ipv6-es.com This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf