Making the sponsorship cost in different regions shared among all the meetings will not significantly increase the sponsoring cost of those in US/Canada, but will actually help to host more meetings everywhere, according to the figures that I know. It has not been, at all, my intend to complain about the sponsors, absolutely on the contrary. It is great that companies like Nokia (in the case of this meeting), take the lead to solve the IETF problem of lack of adequate planning in the last couple of years to find venues and hosts. Is the only reason we can meet here this week, because Nokia. I'm convinced that this situation is going to improve with the new administrative structure, actually is already happening. To make it clear: Many thanks to Nokia and all the sponsors ! It is fantastic. I think there is a big misunderstanding from the participants about how much a meeting actually cost (and in different regions). What is clear is that: 1) The hotel bills may contribute a bit to the cost of the event, but not really so much as you believe, and seems to be very dependant on the location. 2) The fees only cover a small portion of the cost. 3) Long time ago the host responsibility was basically to provide the network/connectivity, terminal room and if they wish so, organize the social. This is no longer true and at least since Yokohama (I may be wrong), the host need to contribute with a big amount of money to make it possible. I will say that today we can't talk anymore about host, but sponsor(s). Regards, Jordi > De: Keith Moore <moore@xxxxxxxxxx> > Responder a: <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> > Fecha: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:46:21 -0500 > Para: Michael StJohns <mstjohns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > CC: "ietf@xxxxxxxx" <ietf@xxxxxxxx>, <jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Asunto: Re: Making IETF happening in different regions > >> What I think Jordi is saying is that he wants the US sponsors to >> subsidize the cost of the overseas meetings. At least that's what it >> works out to be.... > > Well, that's how I interpreted it also. What I found mind-boggling was > the idea that companies that volunteer to host one meeting would somehow > be willing to subsidize meetings held elsewhere. Last I knew it was > already quite difficult to find sponsors, and somehow this doesn't seem > like a good way to express our gratitude to them for their generosity. > > I have also been of the impression that our hotel bills and meeting fees > were paying for most of the cost of our meetings, and that the sponsors > were mostly providing local logistical support and paying for incidental > costs - terminal room and wireless, t-shirts, subsidizing the social, > etc. And since the meeting fees are more-or-less constant and > independent of location, to me it seems like the US-only _attendees_ are > already partially subsidizing the cost of overseas meetings. Which > doesn't seem entirely "fair" but might be "reasonable" - unlike the idea > to penalize _sponsors_ of US meetings. > > Keith > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > ********************************************** The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org Barcelona 2005 Global IPv6 Summit Slides available at: http://www.ipv6-es.com This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf