Re: Guidance needed on well known ports

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PS...

Joe Touch wrote:
> 
> Noel Chiappa wrote:
>>     > From: Keith Moore <moore@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>
>>     > Regarding SRV, it's not acceptable to expect that as a condition of
>>     > deploying a new application, every user who wishes to run that
>>     > application be able to write to a DNS zone. Most users do not have DNS
>>     > zones that they can write to.
>>
>> Yes. Architecturally speaking, it's somewhat dubious that information which
>> really only needs to be localized to the host (application<->port binding)
>> has to be sent to the DNS.
>>
>> It would be easy to run a tiny little USP "binding" server that took in an
>> application name (yes, we'd have to register those, but string-space is
>> infinite), and returned the port.
> 
> Only if it asked a well-known server ON THAT MACHINE. I.e., pick a port,
> reserve it for resolution (e.g., like the RPC portmapper works).
> 
> But we cannot assume a hosts' DNS is available for that purpose. For
> most of us, the DNS entry isn't under our control, nor is it likely to
> be for the forseeable future.
> 
>> About the only reason I can see that that would not be desirable would be to
>> avoid an extra RTT to the do that binding lookup. (DNS/SRV solutions might
>> avoid this RTT too, but in that case that benefit doesn't outweigh the
>> costs.) The "obvious" way to do it, which is have the ICP use the strings
>> directly (as the CHAOS protocols did) is not really feasible now - it would
>> require a change to TCP.
> 
> That could be done using a late-binding trick like we used for
> string-based source routing (www.isi.edu/datarouter); we could have a
> TCP option where the service name occurs (as below), and send it at
> first to the 'portmapper' port, which would demux it and return it. That
> does require a mod to TCP to allow the dest port to be unbound (e.g.,
> '0') if the option is present, and enable the return SYN-ACK to update
> the TCB on arrival.

Since it seems like this might be useful, I'll pull a draft together on
how to do this without 1078's extra connection, more like the
late-binding we do in datarouter, very shortly...

Joe

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