>Can we have a Proposed Standard >without the IETF having change control? No. RFC3978 says, in section 5.2 where it describes the derivative works limitation that's present in draft-santesson-tls-ume, "These notices may not be used with any standards-track document". Bill _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf