I've abstained myself to comment on this thread until now ... I prefer not to judge until I actually visit the venue and see the real situation, because it will be unfair to discover that this venue has been selected being distant to downtown, when this was the excuse given to me for not accepting Madrid, which has been proposed since 2001. Then we had San Diego, which was a much better case, and I though it will never again happen ... Will see ... The point here is: 1) I agree with Dave: something that is being commented repeatedly ... Means is not satisfying people and may be a real problem 2) Those that are expressing opinions on this thread, may be will like to provide further inputs to a document in the scope of this thread, which has been developed precisely to cope with this issues: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection -criteria-04.txt Regards, Jordi > De: Dave Crocker <dhc2@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Organización: Brandenburg InternetWorking > Responder a: <dcrocker@xxxxxxxx> > Fecha: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:41:08 -0800 > Para: Bob Braden <braden@xxxxxxx> > CC: "ietf@xxxxxxxx" <ietf@xxxxxxxx> > Asunto: Re: IETF65 hotel location > > Bob Braden wrote: >> I don't understand why this discussion keeps going on and on, much >> less why it started in the first place. > > perhaps the difficulty is that you do not suffer from the problems being > discussed. that is fine for you, but it does not make the problems small or > secondary. > > when an issue is raised repeatedly, by many different people, it almost always > has some degree of inherent legitimacy. that makes it worth attending to. > > some tactical problems have strategic impact. in this case, decisions which > well > might serve to make the ietf less inclusive ought to be taken seriously. > > it used to be relatively easy and inexpensive to attend ietf meetings. this > no > longer holds. that excludes keeps potentially useful participants. > > d/ > -- > > Dave Crocker > Brandenburg InternetWorking > <http://bbiw.net> > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ********************************************** The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org Barcelona 2005 Global IPv6 Summit Slides available at: http://www.ipv6-es.com This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, including attached files, is prohibited. _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf