>>>>> "JFC" == JFC (Jefsey) Morfin <jefsey@xxxxxxxxxx> writes: JFC> Dear Sam, I go through JFC> The problem is that the IETF works by consensus but thinks by JFC> hummings. Working by consensus means that I MAY be right JFC> against _everyone_ (here an external affinity group in a new JFC> area). But the community has no mechanism to address that JFC> case. What to do if I am really right? The IETF actually works by rough consensus not consensus. If you are the only one who holds an opinion then by the decision making process we as a community have chosen we will decide against you. You have an opportunity to try and convince us you are right and we are wrong. But if you fail to do that we will move on without you. If you attempt to stop us from moving on once we have listened to you and determined the rough consensus is against you, then you will be excluded. I think we have decided as a community that filibustering is not something we will tolerate. So you should expect to be excluded from any forum where you filibuster. --Sam _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf