Re: I-D ACTION:draft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria-04.txt

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Hi John,

I understand your points and somehow agree on some of them.

I can try to establish a prioritization if that can help, and certainly I
will be happy to keep updating the document if at the end the decision is to
keep it in a web page, or just as a live I-D, or whatever else.

Regards,
Jordi




> De: John C Klensin <john-ietf@xxxxxxx>
> Responder a: <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx>
> Fecha: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:00:10 -0500
> Para: <jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> CC: "ietf@xxxxxxxx" <ietf@xxxxxxxx>
> Asunto: Re: I-D 
> ACTION:draft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria-04.txt
> 
> Jordi,
> 
> Unlike several others and their comments, there are significant
> parts of this I find useful, at least in terms of identifying
> issues that should be examined.  There are several other parts
> of it with which I disagree.  And, ultimately, the presentation
> of a list of suggestions without prioritization lowers its
> utility considerably.  On the other hand, I doubt that consensus
> even on the list of suggested principles is possible.  Consensus
> about how they should be prioritized would be more difficult
> yet, and consensus among those with significant experience
> planning and running IETF meetings would certainly be no less
> difficult.
> 
> The difficulty, it seems to me, is the combination between that
> problem with claiming consensus and what can and should be done
> with the document operationally.  It is just my opinion, but I
> consider anything whose purpose is to tell the IAD, IAOC, or
> IESG (or the IETF or IASA more generally) how to behave
> procedurally or decide on things to be completely inappropriate
> for publication as an independent submission RFC.  If others
> agree, then the only way to get this published as an RFC is via
> the IESG and some IETF consensus process.
> 
> One possibility is to just leave it as an I-D, updating it
> periodically as needed, but keeping it out there as a
> perspective that the IAD might consider.  That has certainly
> been done with some IETF and meeting operational documents in
> the past.  Another would be to pass it to the IAOC (see note
> below) along with a suggestion that they establish a set of
> periodically-updated IETF operating procedure notes and put this
> (or a modified version of it) into that series.  Otherwise...
> well, I just don't know, even independent of the aspects of it
> with which I disagree.
> 
> I will try to find time to send you a list of particular topic
> areas about which we appear to disagree, but I don't consider a
> discussion of those specific topics to be appropriate or useful
> on the IETF list unless the IESG decides that this document
> should be an IETF topic (e.g., via a Last Call for BCP).
> 
>     john
> 
> (note: in both the document and some of your comments in the
> last 24 hours, I think you've gotten the IAOC (the oversight
> committee/ IASA decision body) and IASA (the whole
> administrative operation in principle, but, in practice, just
> the conceptual realization of the IAOC, the IAD (whom they
> supervise), and the set of tasks and those who carry them out
> that are supervised by the IAD and/or IAOC directly).)
> 
> 
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