>>>>> "Sandy" == Sandy Wills <sandy@xxxxxxxxxx> writes: Sandy> Gray, Eric wrote: >> Sandy, In fact, contrary to what we observe in nature, change >> is not the "default outcome" in most human organizations. That >> is because - as a careful analysis of this discussion over the >> years will disclose - there are as many ways to go with a >> change as there are people prepared to make changes. Sandy> I think that there is also a very strong element of Sandy> emotional attachment to any system or solution, from those Sandy> people who had a hand in creating it (Certainly, I'm just Sandy> as guilty of this as the next guy!). Any job is harder if Sandy> you have to change your tools every time you get used to Sandy> them. I think that's a valuable thing to consider in consensus building. "This makes me retool how I do things; it works well today," is actually a valid input to a discussion. Sandy> It's also true that some people will object to Sandy> anything in front of them, simply because it was done by Sandy> someone else. I'm having a hard time arguing that this is a good thing. Sandy> We also have the "religious" responses, both Sandy> pro and con, where someone either approves (or disapproves) Sandy> of it simply because of the source. We've all seen "It's Sandy> gotta be good, Jon Postel wrote it", as well as "I'll cut Sandy> my wrists before I use MS software" I think these are valuable inputs as well. There are people involved; whether these people are happy, whether they will continue to work, are important factors. Of course there are religious arguments on the other side: "I want my architectural diagrams; they work well in the ITU and I want them here," is on the same level as "I won't use MS software." Note that related to religious arguments may be more practical issues as well. Sandy> It appears that, if we want to judge solution-quality Sandy> by mob volume, we need to find some way to separate the Sandy> emotional responses from the reasoned responses. I disagree that discarding the emotional responses is appropriate. --Sam _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf