>>>>> "Sandy" == Sandy Wills <sandy@xxxxxxxxxx> writes: Sandy> Gray, Eric wrote: >> It is useful sometimes to differentiate those who have no stake >> in a particular issue from those who are not paying attention. Sandy> (rest of post snipped) Sandy> Here I must become two-faced. Sandy> Personally, I agree with you. Often, there are many Sandy> shades of grey between the white and black binary choices. Sandy> Often, being able to communicate those shades of grey will Sandy> be essential to creating a usable compromise. Agreed. Sandy> Unfortunately, there seems to be a religious dogma Sandy> among the long-time IETF participants that they never take Sandy> votes. All they do is judge rough or smooth concensus, and Sandy> that reduces our options to simple binary choices. I'm very confused here; as far as I can tell judging consensus works much better with things in the middle than any sort of votes. --Sam _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf