> I can't imagine that ever encouraging the IESG to decide > that they know what IETF consensus "really" is, > while disregarding public comment, > is ever going to be a good thing to do. How did you read that into what we said? We never said that IETF consensus should not be gauged. Quite the contrary, we said that we don't want four emails on the IETF list to be used as a proxy for consensus. We wrote a draft precisely in order to get the same treatment that other drafts get. If there is no WG that deals with the subject, then perhaps the right way to check the will of the IETF community is to ask for a hum at one of the plenary sessions. We believe that in such a broad forum there will be strong support for leaving the dark ages of ASCII. Y(J)S _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf