Keith Moore wrote: > It's a perversion of RFC 822 which contradicts both the > intent and the way it has been used in practice. It's probably clear that I hate PRA, because it's a kind of FUSSP (worldwide "add Resent-Sender" at places where that was never before required), because it claims erroneously to be normally (default) "compatible" with Return-Paths covered by a v=spf1 policy, and because it does not even _reference_ 2476bis, let alone discusss 2476bis 8.1 details. But I don't see where it's a "perversion of 822", IIRC the author was present when it was evaluated in a MARID chat - more than a year that I read the jabber log, I'm not sure. If I get a mail Resent-From: C, Sender: B, From: A+B, then 822 tells me that A+B were the authors, B was the sender, somehow C got it and resent it to me. And if I then want to ask "why did you send this to me?", I'd send that question to C. I don't need any "license" or draft-lyon-senderid-pra for that task, but C is the "PRA", the address claiming to be the sender. So far no problem in _that_ draft. It could be a PS, if they'd add some considerations for say mailing-lists. But they say that mailing-lists and other redistributors MUST also use that Resent-scheme in draft-lyon-senderid-core, that's the point where senderid degenerates into a FUSSP. But the "algorithm" itself to find an address of the last entity claiming to be the sender of a mail (excluding all "mediators" like mailing-lists on behalf of the receiver) is sound. The recommendation that MUAs should display that address is IMHO also okay (and maybe stuff for a PS). Otherwise this PRA "algorithm" is only "informational", it could as well be published as one of many answers in a mail header FAQ. Nothing in draft-lyon-senderid-pra is "experimental". It just reflects what (2)822 say about Resent-From, Resent-Sender, Sender, and From. So yes, the authors read and understood (2)822, and while they were at it they published a summary of their findings as draft-lyon-senderid-pra. Bye, Frank _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf