"Hallam-Baker, Phillip" <pbaker@xxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: > >> From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > >> Its purpose is to give the IETF control of its own IPR, which >> has previously been held by 3rd parties. (That's not the >> legal statement of purpose in the formal Trust Agreement.) >> >> What we then do once we have such control is then something >> we can discuss and reach consensus on. Part of that >> discussion is already happening in the IPR WG. > > That is an interesting approach. > > The reason I raised the point was that I suspect that there will be many > members of the IETF community who would prefer to have the debate on use > before they have surrendered control. I agree. It seems this process is being rushed through before all issues are settled or even discussed. I'd feel more comfortable if the outbounds right issue was settled, before all IPR is signed away to some external body that, to me, it seem unclear whether the IETF has total control over. The license text that went out for final review was clearly insufficient, and would have made it impossible for the IETF community to fix things later on. The IETF would not have been in control of the IPR if that license would have passed. I stress this: All past IETF IPR would appear to have been lost and out of control for the IETF community if the initial legal document had passed. Giving the community 3 additional days to review the revised legal document, to identify similar problems, is ridiculous. (Brian's announcement of the updated section 9.5 was posted on December 5th, and the deadline extended to December 8th.) The problem raised and the fix was non-trivial. The normal procedure when that happens for a technical document would have been to have another last call. It may have been wise to follow the RFC 2026 procedures when attempting to reach consensus on this work. Please, give the community more time to review this. Thanks, Simon _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf