Sam, I agree with you on the fact that text should stand alone. People who think that it is not possible to describe a figure sufficiently well enough for it to be accurately understood without seeing it should try attending more conference calls where they are at the wrong (as in remote) end. -- Eric --> -----Original Message----- --> From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] --> On Behalf Of Sam Hartman --> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 4:51 PM --> To: Hallam-Baker, Phillip --> Cc: gash@xxxxxxx; Bob Braden; ietf@xxxxxxxx --> Subject: Re: Process for Process Change (Was Diagrams ((Was --> RFCs should bedistributed in XML)) --> --> >>>>> "Hallam-Baker," == Hallam-Baker, Phillip --> <pbaker@xxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: --> --> --> Hallam-Baker,> I do not think that you really care about --> Hallam-Baker,> accessibility. If you did you would --> understand why --> Hallam-Baker,> the idea of putting ASCII art through a text to --> Hallam-Baker,> speech interface is utterly ridiculous. --> At least in --> Hallam-Baker,> HTML the voice synthesizer knows that it has come --> Hallam-Baker,> to a diagram that it should not attempt to --> Hallam-Baker,> interpret. --> --> --> I actually can get some content out of ascii art diagrams. --> Certainly more than I could out of a gif or png and more --> than I would in practice out of an svg. --> --> I wouldn't mind though if the IETF went away from ascii --> diagrams provided that they commit to guaranteeing that the --> normative text is complete without the diagrams. No, doing --> that is not as hard as some people seem to think. --> --> _______________________________________________ --> Ietf mailing list --> Ietf@xxxxxxxx --> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf --> _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf