Eric, This discussion is appropriate on this list, that is not my point. I would have stated "I think this is off topic for this list" if it were. I am just so frustrated that good technical people spend (I perceive it as waste, but that is subjective and not fair) their time on these sort of admin/bureaucratic/overhead/legal/organizational/etc topics while we have so many technical work to do. The example of recall is especially a case where we have not had any recall in the whole life-time of IETF. So why do we need to spend oodles of cycles on clarifying/more details/ long discussions/ theories/ etc etc on this topic? Do we have a real problem here that needs to be solved? I personally think NOT. Yet we have a long queue of documents that need technical review. I need to do that work. If people with time on their hands can help me (and otehr ADs and other WGs (think cross-area review), then PLEASE do offer your help!!!!!!!!!!! Sooner is better than later in fact!!!! Bert > -----Original Message----- > From: Gray, Eric [mailto:Eric.Gray@xxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 01:03 > To: 'Wijnen, Bert (Bert)' > Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: On revising 3777 as in draft-klensin-recall-rev-00 > > > Bert, > > Let me see if I understand you correctly. You think > this discussion is inappropriate for this mailing list? > > -- > Eric > > --> -----Original Message----- > --> From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] > --> On Behalf Of Wijnen, Bert (Bert) > --> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 6:28 PM > --> To: ietf@xxxxxxxx > --> Subject: RE: On revising 3777 as in draft-klensin-recall-rev-00 > --> > --> Do we have no serious technical work to do in IETF except > --> discuss these types of topics? > --> > --> PLEASE!!!! > --> > --> I see all sort of good technical peopel spending cycles on this. > --> > --> Do you want to review some documents for me and report your > --> technical finding back to me and the community? > --> > --> Bert > --> > --> _______________________________________________ > --> Ietf mailing list > --> Ietf@xxxxxxxx > --> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > --> > _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf