On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
--On 10. november 2005 20:33 -0500 Marshall Eubanks <tme@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I honestly think that there is something more than that. I have seen
dozens of instances of "IETF64" as an ad hoc network. (I see 6 sitting
here in the plenary.)
Unless there is someone with a perverse sense of humor spoofing me, I
suspect that people are
trying to join to the ietf64 network and getting it wrong, both in
captialization, and in
configuration. (Oddly, I have yet to see "ietf64" as an ad hoc network.)
Of course, when the network availability is poor, mis-configuration
doesn't stand out like it does
when everyone else in on the network except you.
I do wonder if our diagnoses are wrong - the number of W2K laptops in the
world (and at the IETF meetings) seems to be *decreasing*, while the number
of ad-hoc mode nodes is *increasing*, despite our attempts at user education
by posting to the IETF list......
Harald, As I said before this was one variant of host that we identified
in the past that could cause the problem... Once the adhoc network exists,
a number of different configurations will happily join it unless told
explicitly not to, thereby perpetuating the problem.
It came as a surprise to me when I encountered, this weekend, a public WLAN
that required people to configure their PCs in ad-hoc mode (they said the
base station was running in IBSS mode, not BSS - whatever that means).
If the ap where a small linux box without bss implementation such as
hostap then it would have to run in bss mode (adhoc)
It would be a Really Good Thing if we could have equipment available in
Dallas to locate a few of these laptops and check out what's *actually* going
on with them (OS, drivers, configuration....)
Pointing a finger at particular machine in a room with 800 transmitting
radio's is actually kind of hard.
I think it's fair to say that the IETF 65 hosting team is aware of the
issue.
Barking up the wrong tree is fun, but doesn't help catch the cat.....
Just because there's a cat in that tree doesn't mean there aren't other
cats skulking around.
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