Hardly a fair comparison. It is so evident I'll just sum it up. IETF meetings support the entire organization for the entire year (or at least a third of it). Yeah yeah, blah blah ISOC insurance... IEEE makes money in all sorts of other ways, including IEEE Dues to say the least. I haven't tried very hard, but in 30 seconds of surfing, I can become a year long member in IEEE $156, attend one meeting $300, and get one specification [picked one at random] $109. I think it would be great to get a firm price on how much it would cost to outsource the network. We would finally get people to realize the value they are getting by having hosts and volunteers. --Brett > I can ask, but I doubt that this information is available. What I know is that the registration fee for the IEEE 802 Plenary meeting is considerably lower than the one at the IETF (300 USD vs. 500 USD). > > Regards, > > Dan > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Marshall Eubanks [mailto:tme@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] >> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 7:11 AM >> To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); Avri Doria; Ole Jacobsen >> Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx >> Subject: Re: Please make sure that you do not run your WLAN >> in ad hoc mode >> >> On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 06:45:59 +0200 >> "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" <dromasca@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> > >> > >> >> Dear Dan; >> >> You should see if you can find out what it costs the IEEE 802 >> to outsource the wireless LAN, both total and per person. >> >> Regards; >> Marshall Eubanks >> >> > >> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx >> [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf >> > > Of Avri Doria >> > > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 4:15 AM >> > > To: Ole Jacobsen >> > > Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx >> > > Subject: Re: Please make sure that you do not run your WLAN in ad hoc mode >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On 11 nov 2005, at 13.56, Ole Jacobsen wrote: >> > > >> > > > In 19 days, this very hotel and meeting rooms will be >> filled with >> > > > ICANN attendees, most of whom are not "technical" in our >> > > sense of the >> > > > word. That should be lots of fun :-) >> > > >> > > It will be interesting to see if ICANN has as much >> trouble, or IEEE >> > > during the intermediate week. >> > > >> > > I have heard an interesting bit of anecdotal evidence >> that indicates >> > > the situation is worse at IETF meetings then at other >> meetings. I >> > > questioned it, but who knows? >> > > >> > > a. >> > > >> > >> > I know. I am attending both the IEEE 802 Plenary meetings >> and the IETF >> > meetings for many years. I can witness first hand that the >> situation >> > is much worse at the IETF meetings than at the IEEE ones. >> Practically, >> > the network is perfect at most IEEE meetings. True, I believe that they are outsourcing the network deployment and its maintenance during the meeting. >> > >> > As I will be attending the IEEE 802 meeting next week (in >> Vancouver, >> > but at a different hotel) I will be able to report by the >> end of the >> > week how it was. Anyway, it hardly can be worse than at the >> IETF meeting. >> > During this whole IETF week I could almost never connect during the meetings. I had to wait for the lunch break when everybody >> was away, >> > or to go to my room (at the 7th floor in the tower) to be able to connect to the IETF wireless network. >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Dan >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Ietf mailing list >> > Ietf@xxxxxxxx >> > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf