It is hard to be very strict at an IETF meeting. We first started running Penalty Boxes at one of the Minneapolis IETF meetings. Why did we do it? Because we had time. We got the network working reasonably well and could dedicate our time to ... "Fighting Evil". So we setup the penalty box, and we put people in there. We found a mean MAC addr, set it all up, and then came the question.. Do you really want to do this? That was a hard call to make honestly. There were a lot of smart people in the NOC (There always are). Even with all that intelligence, you could feel the tension in the room as we put 'em in there. Why? Well we have enough people bashing the NOC crew all the time. Now we were purposefully messing with people. How would you like to be the person that accidentally put the IETF-Chair in the penalty box? So we put quite a few people in there, and we caught at least one (Thanks Joel). Was the guy actually doing malicious things. We think so. Did he act like he didn't know what was going on? Yep. Did he unplug his computer as soon as we found him, yep. It was all very odd. Somewhat rewarding, but still weird. Ok, let's sum this up. 1. The people who are running in ad-hoc mode, if you look at a few of those nets, you will see multiple MAC addresses for the same network. Look closer and some of the OUI's look downright spooky. You could be chasing them for quite some time. 2. As someone else pointed out, they would only feel the effects of your efforts if they connect back to the IETF network. Do you think they will? 3. One of the ways we caught the person in Minneapolis was because of the goo coming out of their WLAN card (scanning), we shut them off, and then saw the same goo coming out of their wired port. Doesn't apply to well to wireless ad-hoc. I bet you can catch some of the people, but in the end it is probably a pretty low priority compared with tuning all your APs so the wireless coverage at the plenary doesn't crash into itself. I think training would be great. The only problem is that either they are doing it to be mean, or they have no idea they are doing it in the first place and skim over the documentation asking them to check their config as if it were a note well. I'm all for the Penalty Box, I thought it was cool. But looking at that list of Ad-HOC nets and MAC addresses. Wow, that's a lot! Best of luck to the NOC team, and thanks to UofO for the MP3 streams. --Brett > I think we should be very strict on this. All this people should get filtered until they go to the NOC and make sure to get trained about how to > avoid ad-hoc ! > > Regards, > Jordi > > > > >> De: Glenn Parsons <gparsons@xxxxxxxxxx> >> Responder a: <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> >> Fecha: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:42:07 -0500 >> Para: IETF Discussion <ietf@xxxxxxxx> >> Conversación: Please make sure that you do not run your WLAN in ad hoc mode >> Asunto: RE: Please make sure that you do not run your WLAN in ad hoc mode >> FYI, >> At the plenary last night the NOC team noticed 107 adhoc networks on 802.11b. See attachment for the names & MACs. >> Cheers, >> Glenn. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Pekka Nikander >> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 2:06 PM >> To: IETF Discussion >> Subject: Please make sure that you do not run your WLAN in ad hoc mode It would be nice if people did not run their WLAN cards in Ad Hoc mode. Here are MAC addresses of some cards that I currently see advertising various ad hoc networks. At least some of these were present also in yesterday's plenary. >> Network name MAC >> Netgear 02-00-10-62-A3-6D >> IETF64 02-00-31-9B-69-47 >> Netgear 02-00-61-76-D2-79 >> linksys 02-0C-F1-EC-CF-9E >> TC_2 02-0E-35-03-D4-C4 >> IETF64 02-12-F0-00-33-FD >> wireless 02-27-97-94-65-56 >> If you don't know how to check your MAC address or how not to turn off ad-hoc capability, it may be better to turn off WLAN altogether. Thank you, >> --Pekka Nikander >> _______________________________________________ >> Ietf mailing list >> Ietf@xxxxxxxx >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf >> _______________________________________________ >> Ietf mailing list >> Ietf@xxxxxxxx >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > > > > ************************************ > The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org > > Barcelona 2005 Global IPv6 Summit > Information available at: > http://www.ipv6-es.com > > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient be aware > that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this > information, including attached files, is prohibited. > > > > > > -- Please note that my e-mail address has changed. _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf