Re: IETF Last Call under RFC 3683 concerning Dean Anderson

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As much as I hate to, I have to support this based on the personal attacks
I have read.

Regards
Marshall Eubanks

On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:22:10 -0400
 David Kessens <david.kessens@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> The IESG received a request from Dave Crocker to take action under RFC
> 3683 against Dean Anderson. Mr Crocker alleged disruption of the IETF
> and DNSEXT lists and provided sample emails [4]. In addition, Dean
> Anderson was recently warned by David Kessens [2], Operations &
> Management Area Director, that a recent posting on the DNSOP working
> group mail list was not acceptable after which he responded to the
> DNSOP list by sending a brief message but with a similar accusation as
> the one he was warned not to repeat.
> 
> While these messages alone might not suffice to justify action, Mr
> Anderson has repeatedly posted, before and since, on these and other
> IETF lists, messages that refer offensively to individuals or
> organizations [1]. For a small sample of such messages, we refer to
> the urls provided at the bottom of this Last Call message.
> 
> Many of them are off topic for the IETF, since the IETF can only
> produce general technical recommendations for operators; it may not
> criticise individual operators or tell them how to conduct their
> business. We wish to make it clear that quarrels and disagreements
> between software suppliers, operators and the like have no place in
> the IETF and must be discussed and settled elsewhere.
> 
> Although sometimes Mr Anderson's messages address technical topics,
> this is not enough to excuse the frequent offensiveness. He has been
> warned to desist from offensive postings multiple times and has often
> ignored such warnings [2,3].
> 
> The IESG therefore proposes to ban Dean Anderson from posting to the
> main IETF list and to authorize all WG chairs to ban him from posting
> to their working group lists. This message calls for comments on this
> proposed action from the IETF, which should be sent to iesg@xxxxxxxx
> (or ietf@xxxxxxxx) by 06 November 2005.
> 
> For the IESG,
> 
> David Kessens
> Operations & Management Area Director
> ---
> 
> Please see below for a sample of abusive behavior on maillists:
> 
> [1] Personal attack on Bill Strahm and alleges that Rob Austein
> defames av8 Internet:
> 
> http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg37889.html
> 
> IETF management is accused of harassment and it is stated that
> Stephen Sprunk is untrustworthy (end of message). In addition, the
> message implies that David Kessens is the responsible Area
> Director for dnsext, while this working group is part of the INT area:
> 
> http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg37931.html
> 
> Dean uses a very unpleasant tone to make it clear to David Kessens
> that he doesn't agree with him and adds another attack by twisting
> Steven Bellovin's own words and smearing Steven Bellovin's
> reputation:
> 
> http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg37873.html
> 
> (Dean apperently referred to:
> http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg37557.html)
> 
> 
> Please see below for a sample of messages that ignore requests to Dean
> Anderson to stop his disruptive behavior:
> 
> [2] Example of an attack on a well known organization on the dnsop list:
> 
> Dean Anderson attacks a well known root name server operator and
> talks about uncontrolled corruption in the IETF:
> 
> http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/msg03551.html
> 
> Message by David Kessens to Dean Anderson that warns him not to
> bring up any issues he apparently has with a well known root name
> server operator:
> 
> http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/msg03552.html
> 
> Dean's response in which he reaffirms his accusations towards the
> well known root name server operator:
> 
> http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/dnsop/msg03553.html
> 
> 
> [3] Dean alleges that some IETF participants are liars
> http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg36027.html
> 
> Brian Carpenter warns not to continue allegations about liars
> http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg36034.html
> 
> Dean continues discussion on the list
> http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg36087.html
> 
> 
> [4] Materials provided by Dave Crocker to support his request (IETF and
> dnsext list):
> 
> Dean continues to discuss topic that was declared off-topic by
> working group chair:
> 
> http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg37550.html
> 
> Dave's response on part of Dean's mail:
> 
> http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg37554.html
> 
> Two messages by other participants who continue to discuss Dean's
> point:
> 
> http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg37555.html
> http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg37557.html
> 
> Personal attack on Dave Crocker (and attack on Paul Vixie) by
> Dean. In addition his message does not substantiate his earlier
> claims about IPR:
> 
> http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg37560.html
> 
> Dean launches a personal attack on Steven Bellovin:
> 
> http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg37561.html
> 
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