On Mon, 3 Oct 2005, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Dean Anderson wrote: > > > ... It may also be > > time to make a formal complaint to the ISOC about the pattern of misbehavior by > > the IETF leadership in several related areas including abuse of Dean Anderson, > > Dan Bernstein, Nick Staff, Jefsey Morfin, and others. > > I reckon it's because we so much dislike Nick Staff that the IESG > appointed him as one of our external scribes. (The first set of > scribe notes will be showing up sometime soon, btw.) So what is the relevance of this to anything? Indeed, I think Nick will be an excellent scribe. But appointing him scribe doesn't mean he hasn't been abused as part of a pattern of abuse. I didn't say you disliked Nick Staff. I said you abused him. Sometimes these are different. When you offensively disrespect the people you like, then you plainly have a problem with interpersonal interactions. Carpenter offers to (barely) chastise Alvestrand: http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg35904.html Nick Staff asks publicly to rule against Alvestrand: Calls Alvestrands attack "obnoxious, childish, and pubescent", notes double standard by Carpenter: http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg35938.html Nick Staff says TIME OUT: http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg35957.html Brian Carpenter tells Nick to pound sand: http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg35969.html Nick tells Brian how he feels about that: (Nick is plainly offended) http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg35993.html Carpenter offered to barely discpline Alvestrand, and even though that offer was accepted publicly by Nick, and offlist by Anderson, Carpenter backed out anyway, and told Nick Staff (and Anderson) to pound sand, describing Nick's view as "annoying and irrelevant". Nick is just trying to make peace. He didn't deserve that. What's more sickening is that Carpenter still apparently doesn't think he did anything offensive to Nick. Carpenter also doesn't find it "annoying or irrelevant" to chastise others: [e.g. http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg35780.html] This is part of a pattern of abuse and acceptance of abuse by Carpenter. --Dean -- Av8 Internet Prepared to pay a premium for better service? www.av8.net faster, more reliable, better service 617 344 9000 _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf