On Fri, 30 Sep 2005, Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law wrote: > </legal lurk> > > No first amendment issues are implicated here. The first amendment only > protects US persons (citizens & residents) against actions by the US > government. Both sides of that equation are absent here. > > This is private action against a private party. It may implicate the > moral principles of freedom of expression but these are not ordinarily > actionable either in the US or elsewhere. YMMV of course. I think that the legal issues involve defamation and disparagement, and perhaps others (e.g. corporate bylaw violations---otherwise known as "failure to follow ones own written rules"), and other duties and obligations required of corporations. Last I checked, the IETF is an activity of the ISOC, which is incorporated in the US. The IETF has a nearly 2 million dollar budget, and its bank account isn't in the name of an individual, it is in the name of a US corporation. But I think that Jefsey should formally counter-complain that the PR-action is a personal attack based on personal dislike. I think the next step is to appeal the IESG action to the IAB, and if that fails, then to the ISOC. It may also be time to make a formal complaint to the ISOC about the pattern of misbehavior by the IETF leadership in several related areas including abuse of Dean Anderson, Dan Bernstein, Nick Staff, Jefsey Morfin, and others. > Please note that this comment expresses no opinion on the merits of the ban. > > <legal lurk> > > On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 Julien.Maisonneuve@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote: > > [much edited] > > > Note that the whole issue of list ban is treading on first amendment grounds > > in a way that could end up in court. > > -- Av8 Internet Prepared to pay a premium for better service? www.av8.net faster, more reliable, better service 617 344 9000 _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf