Hi - > From: "Anthony G. Atkielski" <anthony@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <ietf@xxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:00 AM > Subject: Re: Petition to the IESG for a PR-action against Jefsey Morfinposted > > If the IESG has the time to compile blacklists and go on witch hunts, > perhaps it doesn't have enough work to justify its existence. ... At the WG level, disruptive members cause an enormous increase in the effort required to get anything done. Our desire to ensure that minority viewpoints are heard puts us in a difficult bind when only ones expressing those viewpoints are individuals who also choose to behave badly. Invoking RFC 3934 at the WG level is not something that any WG chair would undertake lightly. I've gotten a lot of criticism for not using it more. I'm sure the IESG is fully aware of the gravity of invoking RFC 3683. The fact that it hasn't been used before speaks for itself. However, the reason the procedures exist at all is out of the recognition that a very few people are so abusive of our processes and culture that we need to be able to cut them off so that we can get real work done. If their technical arguments have real merit, they will reach us by other avenues. It would be so much simpler if everyone could be counted on to recognize (easy) and ignore (hard) the bad actors. Randy _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf