JFC, Since I have engaged in debate with you on another list, maybe I can offer some constructive criticism to perhaps make you understand why people react the way they do, up to and including this proposed action. I have cc'd the IETF and IESG since I others may agree or disagree with me and offer feedback to you privately or publically. 1. Your postings are Long, Rambling and Frequent (LRF). I have a certain sympathy for people whose native language is not English (like myself) when they post on these lists. However, this usually results in fewer, not more words, a la "We meet lunch 11 cafe?" In your case--and unlike in the digital picture case--more words/pixels does not contribute to the clarity of the image, quite the opposite in fact. Rambling refers to your tendency to make references to everything under the sun while discussing a given topic. Frequent just adds to the irritation. It's not like anyone on this list gets too little mail. 2. Your posting appears to come from a position where the IETF "members" collectively are just clueless, have not seen the light or found their way to your particular techno-religion. Some call this preaching, and in this case the choir is not appreciative. 3. Some of your postings can be read as personal attacks. While some may call this your "debating style," there are clearly instances when you cross the line. This really isn't a good way to make friends with a large group of people. 4. Some of your arguments appear to be technical in nature, but are incomprehensible even to our most respected experts. It is of course POSSIBLE that they are wrong and you are right, but if you are unable to explain your position even to them after many rounds, does it not seem like you are wasting your, their and our time? Thanks for listening. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Academic Research and Technology Initiatives, Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 GSM: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@xxxxxxxxx URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf