Brian E Carpenter <brc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: > Simon Josefsson wrote: >> "Marshall Eubanks" <tme@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: >> >>>On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:08:45 +0200 >>> Simon Josefsson <jas@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>>>Brian E Carpenter <brc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: >>>> >>>> >>>>>We propose that, for an initial period of 6 months, a member of >>>>>the community will be added to regular IESG meetings as a "recording >>>>>secretary" who will write narrative minutes of the discussions, >>>>>which will be posted publicly after IESG review for accuracy. >>>> >>>>Sounds useful to me. How about actually recording the discussion too? >>>>And publishing them as OGG or MP3. Editing out personnel discussion >>>>would still be possible. All for the sake of transparency and >>>>accountability. >>> >>>My experience is that recordings tend to shut some people up. >> My experience is that recordings tend to make people focus on facts, >> rather than trying to win a discussion or furthering their own agenda. >> If the IESG meetings are intended as service to the community, from >> experts, that seem to be a good thing. >> >>>Plus, if they exist, they are subject to subpoena. >> Is that a problem? Not purely a rhetorical question. >> > > The two points are linked. The IESG gets to make some decisions about > people. "X is a lousy WG chair, but Y is the only plausible replacement, > and she works for Z so would have a commercial interest in the > outcome. So we have to put up with X." I think people wouldn't say that > on a call that was being recorded for posterity, precisely because it might > be sub poenaed. > > Whereas the narrative minutes would say > "The IESG discussed the Foobar WG and agreed with the AD's proposal to > continue with the current WG chair." The logical conclusion to that problem is to edit out those parts of the recording before making it public. Editing audio is roughly as difficult as writing down narrative minutes these days. That filtering and editing process is required when writing minutes too, so it is not like an entirely new process is required. Listeners would have to listen to the recording and read the minutes to get the complete publicly available information. Thanks, Simon _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf