Brian, > I have the good fortune to not be subscribed to the > namedroppers list, so I have no familiarity with past > traffic on that list. I think it behooves us all to let > bygones be bygones - I don't see much point in debating > alleged misdeeds of former ADs. ADs in their deeds, or misdeeds represent not just themselves, but IESG as a whole. As such, deeds/misdeeds of ADs should be viewed as deeds/misdeeds of IESG, and not just of individual ADs. Therefore, I think it behooves IESG to resolve *in a public forum* complains about alleged misdeeds by ADs, irrespective of whether these ADs are former or not. Yakov. > > Brian > > Dean Anderson wrote: > > Mr. Alvestrand's comments certainly demonstrates the animousity of the > > former chair and they demonstrate his motive for not enforcing the IETF > > and ISOC Code of Conduct against those making personal attacks against > > Dean Anderson, Av8 Internet, and perhaps others, such as Dan Bernstein, > > who were abused but the abuse was never properly redressed, nor were the > > abusers chastisted or punished in any way. Abuse of Mr. Bernstein by > > Randy Bush was on the Namedroppers (DNSEXT) list, and included publishing > > his subscription address enabling forged unsubscriptions, and altering or > > delaying his messages and other inappropriate "special treatment" for > > which Mr. Bush was never chastised or punished, nor made to apologize. > > > > Mr. Alvestrands recent comments shows again the substance to this > > complaint: > > http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg30614.html > > > > Therefore, I would like to renew the earlier Code of Conduct complaints > > made against Mr. Vixie and others, with the additional provision noting > > the personal hostility of the former chair, Mr. Alvestrand, and his > > failure to act appropriately regardless of his personal hostility. > > > > I believe the IETF owes an apology to Dan Bernstein, Dean Anderson, Av8 > > Internet, and possibly others. > > > > Dean Anderson > > Av8 Internet, Inc > > > > On Sun, 26 Jun 2005, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: > > > > > >>Since I'm no longer responsible for anything that Dean Anderson has a > >>legitimate role in, and Dean Anderson has proved that he irritates me, I > >>can stop listening to Dean Anderson. > >> > >>Goodbye, mr. Anderson. > >> > >>--On 25. juni 2005 20:21 -0400 Dean Anderson <dean@xxxxxxx> wrote: > >> > >> > >>>The IETF cannot accept the statements of known, court-proven liars, nor > >>>can it suppress this fact in its deliberations. If the IETF accepts > >>>court-proven and documented liars as reliable sources of fact, then it > >>>will have no more credibility in its statements, as they will be based on > >>>lies, not on truth. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Ietf mailing list > >>Ietf@xxxxxxxx > >>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > >> > >> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf