Carl- In the future I'd appreciate you not cluttering my mailbox with "fluff" either, so please refrain from posting such non-technical and off-topic messages in the future. Might I ask why you thought it OK to cause everyone else to waste bandwidth, time, and energy reading your off-topic post? But thank you for reminding everyone of the scare-tactics and bullying you and other spamops types are so fond of. Of course, maybe the problem is that you see these comments as fluff and don't understand how pertinent they are. Best regards, Nick Staff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Hutzler" <cdhutzler@xxxxxxx> To: <iesg@xxxxxxxx>; <ietf@xxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 5:57 AM Subject: Re: Last Call: 'Email Submission Between Independent Networks' to BCP - Clarification sommerfeld@xxxxxxx wrote: >On Tue, 2005-06-21 at 00:28, Nicholas Staff blames the victims: > > >>whats funny to me is if anything would have given spammers a reason to >>exploit open relays it would have been the blacklists. I mean when >> >> >you > > >>arbitrarily blacklist millions of their ISP's addresses you leave them >>with >>no other option. >> >> > >"if anything would give burglars a reason to break windows, it would >have been locked doors. i mean, when you put locks on millions of >doors, you leave them with no other option." > >people who send spam *always* have the option of changing their line of >work. > > - Bill > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Ietf mailing list >Ietf@xxxxxxxx >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > I appreciate all of the substantive comments on the BCP draft so far. But I would appreciate if fluff like the above were directed to another list/form....something other than the IETF/IESG. It simply does not provide any technical benefits and simply causes me and others to have to read more email. To be honest, anyone who has been as involved with operational spam fighting as myself and the co-authors understands these arguements all to well. No need to replay them here. It sorta is spam, IMO :-) Also, I am working with the team of co-authors to compile the legitimate comments and suggestions and I intend to publish them back to the team that submitted those comments shortly. We will keep the IETF/IESG lists apprised of our progress. -Carl -- Carl Hutzler Director, Host Mail Development America Online cdhutzler@xxxxxxx 703.265.5521 work 703.915.6862 cell _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf