And people who are not able to cope with SPAM *always* have the option of using snail mail. I don't think limiting my freedom and restricting open global communication is a proportionate or appropriate solution for "too many advertisements in my mailbox". deal_with_it Best regards, Nick Staff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sommerfeld" <sommerfeld@xxxxxxx> To: "Nicholas Staff" <nick.staff@xxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: "Tony Finch" <dot@xxxxxxxx>; <iesg@xxxxxxxx>; <ietf@xxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 5:34 AM Subject: Re: Last Call: 'Email Submission Between Independent Networks' toBCP - Clarification On Tue, 2005-06-21 at 00:28, Nicholas Staff blames the victims: > whats funny to me is if anything would have given spammers a reason to > exploit open relays it would have been the blacklists. I mean when you > arbitrarily blacklist millions of their ISP's addresses you leave them > with > no other option. "if anything would give burglars a reason to break windows, it would have been locked doors. i mean, when you put locks on millions of doors, you leave them with no other option." people who send spam *always* have the option of changing their line of work. - Bill _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf