> The notion that email authentication has helped reduce spam is completely > unsubstantiated by actual practice. Which bit of text in the document are your referring to? > Email authentication isn't a weakness that is exploited by spammers. But the lack of accountability for message senders IS. > And lastly, it seems inappropriate that such a draft would be proposed > with language about open relays without seeking the input of open relay > operators such as Av8 Internet. Av8 Internet is one of the very few open > relay operators that is willing to publicly discuss these operations. There is a strong rough consensus in the email operations community that open relays -- MTAs that accept mail from any source on the open Internet, when it is directly destined to go back out to the Internet -- prevents providing reasonable levels of message sender accountability. That rough consensus has been in place for quite a few years. > Had anyone bothered to ask, I would have reported that open relay abuse The fact that attackers are not trying to exploit a particular weakness right now, although they used it heavily in the past, does not justify leaving the weakness in place. d/ --- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking +1.408.246.8253 dcrocker a t ... WE'VE MOVED to: www.bbiw.net _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf