> Date: 2005-06-15 10:20 > From: wayne <wayne@xxxxxxxxxxx> > In <Pine.GSO.4.58.0506141512560.15512@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> "Lucy E. Lynch" <llynch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: > > > Many of the issues related to WG progress can be managed using the > > excellent web tools provided at tools.ietf.org - see for example: > > http://tools.ietf.org/wg/ccamp/ > > This link should be put on the font page of the IETF website. > > Google shows no links to these tools from the IETF website, and only > one link on the entire Internet: > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&c2coff=1&q=link%3Atools.ietf.org%2F&btnG=Search http://www.google.com/search?as_q=Tools+IETF&num=100&hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&c2coff=1&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=ietf.org&safe=images returns 118,000 hits. Your query is not looking at "the IETF website", it is looking at only a specific other site. There is a link of the IETF home page to http://edu.ietf.org/ (Educational Materials), and that page has a link to http://edu.ietf.org/tools (Tools for IETF). Though that's rather limited in scope and not the first place one is likely to look. It is also worth noting that the cleverly concealed link at the upper left corner of the IETF home page takes one to a search engine, but that a search there for "tools" yields nothing. Note that "tools.ietf.org" is: tools.ietf.org nameserver = shiraz.levkowetz.com. tools.ietf.org nameserver = eikenes.alvestrand.no. tools.ietf.org nameserver = dns1.shlang.com. tools.ietf.org origin = shiraz.levkowetz.com mail addr = hostmaster.tools.ietf.org serial = 2005053001 refresh = 7200 retry = 3600 expire = 1209600 minimum = 14400 Name: tools.ietf.org Address: 81.224.201.50 tools.ietf.org mail exchanger = 10 tools.ietf.org. Authoritative answers can be found from: tools.ietf.org nameserver = shiraz.levkowetz.com. tools.ietf.org nameserver = eikenes.alvestrand.no. tools.ietf.org nameserver = dns1.shlang.com. eikenes.alvestrand.no internet address = 158.38.152.233 > > Getting people to use the tools is a seperate issue. Just another mash > > note from a tools.ietf.org fan... > > It is hard to get people to use tools when they don't know they exist > and are very hard to find. The specific tools pointed to by Lucy are for WG use, and I suspect that these are covered in WG Chair training. As for other tools, the ID-Checklist specifically mentions several tools of use to draft authors, and several places point to the ID-Checklist. I agree that the IETF web site could certainly use some improvement, however there are plenty of ways to find tools (indeed the ID-Checklist virtually requires use of some tools, e.g. ABNF validators). _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf