> Behalf Of Keith Moore > > So, if there is indeed the IETF community expectation that > the WG gets > > to pick at least some of its own chairs, then rfc3710 needs to be > > revised to reflect this. > > not necessarily. a significant part of the community can > expect something > and there still not be rough consensus about it. I think it is time to redefine consensus. What we need for a standard is a group of people with a reasonable degree of skill in the art who agree on a common plan. That is not necessarily the same as 'working group consensus'. For example if there is a protocol where there is a divergence of opinion on the correct way to proceed and one group can agrree on a coherent plan then it goes forward. If there are two groups with coherent plans then the way forward depends on whether we are talking about an infrastructure protocol such as BGP or DNS or an application protocol. If we are talking about infrastructure protocols then I think that is a case where the IESG needs to step in sooner rather than later. If we are talking about application protocols let the market decide. _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf