Spencer,
You hit an important issue. Having a small group of people
choose who they want feedback from (granted everyone else is welcome
to send feedback without knowing the options for ADs) is not
a recipe for a successful process. I haven't yet seen a good reason
for not publicising the names of people nominated for an AD position.
Until this is done, we can't claim an open process for AD selection.
Why have a "selected" group of people knowing all the information necessary
to choose an AD? And on what basis are these people selected? I know
people that are not chairing any WGs that were asked for input by the nomcom
while others weren't.
I can see pros and cons in publicising the list of nominees, but in
the absence of a clear advantage I choose openness, because eventually, an
open process should be self-correcting. I can't say the same about the
current process.
Hesham
> Spencer Dawkins wrote:
>
> > Just to agree with JohnL,
> >
> >>
> >> NOMCOM has been good about soliciting feedback, but I still think
> >> that we miss out on useful feedback because IETF members cannot
> >> reliably say who is a candidate and who is not. Some
> candidates have
> >> sent around BCC: mails, from time-to-time, saying that they are a
> >> candidate & would appreciate folks to send comments to
> NOMCOM. This
> >> doesn't seem like a good way for getting information 'public.'
> >
> >
> > I've served as a WG chair, and as a member of the General Area
> > Directorate, so I'm one of the people that NOMCOM was
> actively seeking
> > input from ("this is a list of the people who have been
> nominated for
> > X Area Director, plus a couple of ringers, please tell us what you
> > think we should know that would help us make a better decision").
> >
> > My point is that I *have* seen a complete list of nominations,
> > including a couple of ringers, for specific AD positions,
> and I *have*
> > seen a complete list of nominations for IAB positions.
> >
> > This is not a bad thing (the AD positions were in areas I
> was working
> > closely with). The less-than-desirable part is that my input on
> > unannounced candidates was based on more information about who was
> > being considered than was generally available. I could say "that
> > person would be the greatest disaster for the IETF since ...", and
> > people who disagreed with my input don't even know the
> person is being
> > considered ... unless they also got the same list, or unless that
> > specific person happened to ask others to provide NOMCOM input.
> >
> > Hardly seems fair, does it?
> >
> > For the last two years, I've met with the NOMCOM
> representatives and
> > gone through the list of every IAB/IESG member that's up
> for renewal,
> > so it's not like people don't TRY to provide good input
> (positive and
> > negative). But it's difficult to provide input on unannounced
> > candidates, unless they "out" themselves.
> >
> > Are we supposed to send a list of notorious Internet
> kooks, just in
> > case one of them has been nominated for something?
> >
> >> In the absence of facts, there are lots of rumors about whether a
> >> specific IESG / IAB member is stepping down or not; reasons why;
> >> etc. This doesn't seem to be an optimal process, IMO.
> >
> >
> > I've also had conversations with ADs who decided to step
> down, then
> > decided not to, then decided to step down (lather, rinse, repeat).
> > Private sampling doesn't seem to provide reliable
> information, even
> > when the sampling is direct-to-the-intermittent-candidate.
> >
> > ... and, to go a tiny bit closer toward the edge ...
> saying that we
> > believe someone can serve successfully as an AD for two years (and
> > hopefully for four, since it takes a year to come up to
> speed, we are
> > told), but is too sensitive to be nominated publically for the
> > position, seems silly. If someone cares what people think
> that much,
> > how can the same person serve with integrity after being selected?
> >
> > Spencer
> >
> >
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