Jari, I agree with you on this point. I've tossed my hat into nomcom a few times, but I would have either reconsidered or would have been more active had I known the other candidates. Additionally, I could have given feedback on candidates had I known that they were candidates. NOMCOM has been good about soliciting feedback, but I still think that we miss out on useful feedback because IETF members cannot reliably say who is a candidate and who is not. Some candidates have sent around BCC: mails, from time-to-time, saying that they are a candidate & would appreciate folks to send comments to NOMCOM. This doesn't seem like a good way for getting information 'public.' In the absence of facts, there are lots of rumors about whether a specific IESG / IAB member is stepping down or not; reasons why; etc. This doesn't seem to be an optimal process, IMO. > > From: Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@xxxxxxxxx> > Date: 2005/04/27 Wed PM 01:59:38 EEST > To: ldondeti@xxxxxxxxxxxx > CC: Sam Hartman <hartmans-ietf@xxxxxxx>, ietf@xxxxxxxx, > Dave Crocker <dcrocker@xxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: Complaining about ADs to Nomcom (Re: Voting (again)) > > > Hi Lakshminath, > > > As the title indicates, it is not sufficient to just complain about an > > AD (I guess it might be sufficient in the "Recall" process), it is > > also necessary to provide a pool of, or just one for that matter, > > candidates who are interested and qualified. Yes, I have real > > examples. (May I suggest that Nomcom procedures be revised to make > > the final candidate list, or at least the number of interested > > candidates for each position, be made public?) > > I like this suggestion. But first: I'd rather call this thread "feedback" > than "complaining", because I hope the nomcom gets a lot of input > and not just when someone is doing badly. > > But back to the suggestion. I have beeing trying to send a lot of > input on various positions and candidates to the nomcom in recent > years. But from the point of view of a regular IETF participant this > isn't always easy. Basically, the problem is that we have a lot of > input to give you, but we lack the data about the candidates! > > Of course, we can easily give you feedback on the current AD. > But we've had a large number of people leave the IAB and IESG > recently, and it isn't easy to provide feedback about potential > candidates. Sometimes I tried to do that, just to be surprised that > the people I commented on weren't even running or someone > I didn't know or didn't consider as a potential candidate was in > the process. The nomcom goes out to the area chairs and other > contributors and solicits feedback, revealing at least some of > the potential candidate names. This helps, but its fairly limited. > Or at least I would have wanted to give more feedback on more > areas than I received questions from the nomcom. > > I would suggest that (agreeing) candidate lists be made public > early in the process, in order to make it easier for the IETFers to > provide you feedback. This would also increase the transparency > of the process. And yes, I am aware of the argument that some > candidates might be shy to reveal that they are running for the > job. But we are a major organization, and I would suggest that > the benefits for the organization outweigh benefits (if any) for > the candidates. > > --Jari > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf