harald@xxxxxxxxxxxxx (Harald Tveit Alvestrand) wrote on 28.01.05 in <D747A269618D37F2CE22CDA8@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>: > --On fredag, januar 28, 2005 08:19:03 -0500 Scott Bradner <sob@xxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > > > > Harald suggests > > The Chair serves at the pleasure of the IAOC, and may be removed from > > that position at any time by a vote of five of the IAOC voting members. > > > > > > I don't think its a good idea to use absolute numbers - its better > > to use fractions '4/5ths of the voting members' for example - in case > > you have a situation where some IAOC members have dropped off for some > > reason - using absolute numbers can get into a situation where the > > action can not be taken even though all existing members of the > > IAOC want to do so > > But that slides us straight back into the situation where we must make > rules for whether or not people who are on holiday are counted or not, what > constitutes a quorum, and so on. How do you say that 2/3 of a meeting that > had only 4 of the IAOC members present is not acceptable? The phrase "all existing members" sort of suggests that we're talking about formal membership here, so people on holiday would definitely count - as in, "you can't remove the chair just because most of his supporters are on vacation". And given that, there's also no question of quorum I can see - the question isn't "2/3 of a meeting" but "2/3 of the members" - including absent members. That is, you need enough votes to make it even if everyone who could vote was actually there. That way, it doesn't matter how many people actually did show up. > It was the fraction "2/3" that Russ objected to in the first place, > pointing out that this means 6 out of 8 if everyone's present - which he > thought was too much of a required majority. Which just points to a lower fraction, not to absolute numbers. > In the case where the IAOC is short 3 members (required for the situation > you describe), I think we can live with a chair not being removed until the > selecting bodies have named replacements for members who are no longer > willing or able to serve (if that is the situation you are worried about). That surely depends on the reason for removing that chair. MfG Kai _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf