--On Thursday, 13 January, 2005 17:42 +0100 "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" <bwijnen@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> We definitely do want to discourage egregious bloat of direct >> staff posts, but we also want to discourage egregious bloat >> at the contractors we outsource to. I'm not sure why people >> think there is more risk of one than the other. >> > > With the outsourcing model, my underastanding is that we want > to do it via an RFP process, and so that would help (I hope) > reduce bloat. Bert, It is not easy to write really good RFPs. Indeed, it is generally quite hard. Perhaps more important in this context, normal RFPs are good at explaining to would-be bidders or contractors what will be expected, but don't necessarily provide good explanations of why we would want it done or how we justify it. If poor RFPs go out, or poor contracts are written, we end up with contractor-management or renegotiation problems that are typically more difficult than employee job descriptions and contracts, since the latter usually include "such additional tasks as required" clauses. No sensible external contractor agrees to such a clause without the ability to renegotiate the agreement, demand additional fees, etc. A comitment to an RFP process does ensure that the IASA puts resources into RFP-writing, RFP-evaluating, and similar activities that may be useful but may not, for a given situation be, to use EKR's term, efficient. If we get multiple bidders on the same well-written RFP, we can perhaps expect them to compete to produce the lowest price or fewest staff needed to meet the RFP/contract provisions. However, the Internet community had not had wonderful experiences with "low bid" contracting, especially if the RFPs are not exceptionally well written: getting the job done well is often more important than getting the job done at the minimal level needed to conform to an RFP or contract. So, with or without "an RFP process", we are back to needing to trust the judgment and skills of the IAD and IAOC, with the remedy of firing the latter if they screw up often enough. An RFP process followed by an outsourcing contract does require that expectations be written down. That is a good thing, but there might be other, more efficient, ways to accomplish it in some cases. And, again, it doesn't help much to assure us that sensible decisions are being made about bloat-minimization: that is a program analysis and evaluation function, not an RFP one. john _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf