--On Thursday, 13 January, 2005 13:38 +0100 Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I believe that I now have messages out with suggested > resolutions for all 19 open issues on the BCP document. In > almost all cases, these messages contain text for proposed > edits to the document. > > If I don't hear violent objections, I'll ask the editors to > prepare a new draft based on those proposed edits (+ any > textual adjustments they will make in their roles as editors). > > We should then have a relatively clean document on which to > base the next step of our conversation, as outlined in my > "plan" message yesterday. > > Hoping for a convergent process..... Harald, This is not a violent objection --more like a concerned whimper-- but I note that we are still turning over rocks from which new issues crawl. As recently as yesterday morning, EKR reopened --IMO in a context that justified it-- the "outsource everything" assumption that is fairly pervasive in the document. I don't know what will come of that subthread, but maybe it is relevant. And, this morning, some almost-unrelated discussion identified the fact that, when some of us have been saying "fire the IAOC" as the appropriate remedy for severe problems, others have been hearing "tell the Nomcom" or "start a recall procedure". Since it isn't clear that we now have a "fire the IAOC" procedure --which I would define as clearing everyone out of there except the IAB Chair, IETF Chair, and ISOC President, and asking all of the appointing bodies to find fresh faces-- we may need new text to reflect that... At least if others believe that such a model is useful. So I'd be happy to look at new text, but I'm not sure we are finished. john _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf